Which One Is The REAL Jazz Guitar?
Originally, I was not going to talk about this. It was meant more as a personal experiment, but I do think it is interesting and worth discussing.
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Content:
00:00 Intro
00:13 Weird comments
01:09 The 3 Guitars Video
03:08 All Jazz Sounds The Same
04:23 Going Against Expectations?
05:26 Listening With Your Eyes
06:11 Unexpected Guitar Choices
06:57 Comparing 5 Guitar
09:42 The Problem With Jazz-Tone on a Solid-body
11:02 Surprisingly Similar
11:45 The Problem With My Vintage Gibson
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Ah haaa I watch that metal guys too. I wonder if he realizes how many people that don’t play metal watch him . I play anything actually. If I had to be reborn and choose a kind of music that surrounded me it would be Brazilian guitar with the extra bass string. I’ve never played one but I want to .
Thanks,Jens. I love your videos and have learnt heaps. I'm a 68 year old player
I'm not a jazz guitarist, but I think that ES175 sounds a little different than the rest. At first comparison I suspected it being the last one but wasn't sure, second comparison having heard it I knew right away it was number 3. About other guitars I didn't have the slightest clue. But they are all pretty close to each other and all sound great. Interesting video!
What is a real jazz guitar anyway?
I envy you that Yamaha endlessly.
La prova l'hai fatta usando un programma al pc di simulazione di ampli effetti e cabinet o su un vero ampli? Perche io con il mio twin reverb se uso la strat e la es335 le differenze le sento, eccome se le sento!
Not surprised they sound so similar. We've all hear the story of the guy swapping guitars with van Halen and they didn't sound like EVH through his rig but EVH sounded like him through their rig, or whatever. The point I'm really trying to make is that Ibanez is a monster! I did some work on my friends and had a really hard time giving it back to him because I enjoyed it so much. If I ever ran across one in the wild for a decent price I would definitely snag it right up.
As always, tone is contextual
There are two cases. Either you can’t hear the difference and therefore you shouldn’t care. Or you can hear it and you can choose to care more about the music and less about the guitars construction. Third choice leads to poverty ????
Doesn't Julian Lage play a Tele? You could give me the best ES175 on the earth and will suck at Jazz.
Tone snobs trying to cork sniff on you tube, typically end in embarrassment.
Very close but you really need a Charlie Christian or P-90 in a big body guitar to really hear the acoustical and woody sound of a big jazz guitar. Humbuckers all sound the same to me whether in a Super 400 or SG. I have an original 1938 ES-150 with CC pickup and it's a drastically different sound than my ES-335. With that said the 335 is my default guitar for most all styles of music unless I want to twang and only a Tele will do that well. Never been a Strat or Paul fan but do own one of each.
Even on my cellphone i hear the differences.
But:
What you are NOT talking about, is the most important factor:
Body sound impact.
If you play "stage loud" it's a complete other story.
And your natural enemies are drums, horns..aso.
So:
Than! everything changes!
If the guitar is hitten by the sound waves of the amp, a re-amping, sustaining, feedbacking starts.
An then the different guitars come to life toootally different.
And then karussel starts:
what speaker type…1 x 10", 2 x 10", 1 or 2 x 12". aso aso…
Because:
A Celestion 12" 30Watts greenback has a catastrophic bass… totally fragmented.
A G12 75 or 80 watt is a much more stabil and effective speaker.
A 2 x 12 combo supports your low end…than your guitar starts resonating, ringing..
In these days so many have no clue…no stage experience…noodle over laptops with headphones…afraid for mom, the kids, neighbors aso…
HIT A DRUM!
THAT hit has to be the same ram to your belly around 120Hz plus, when you hit your guitar.
Just the percussiv adventure…
Every thing else is beer without alcohol, cola light….
You talk way too much and say nothing
The Jazz is in your fingers 🙂
The sound of a guitar is mostly in the fingers of the player. Secondly, the string type and age.
is the revelation that you turn the tone down on all of them ? in the same way that fricker puts everything through a tonne of digital distortion it may have the effect of making them all sound similar… people like to see hollow bodies being played because theyre pretty. a rocker looks cool playing one, but a jazzer playing a bc rich doesnt !
I think jazz guitar is the most neutered and boring sound I have ever heard in my life. It's excruciating to listen to all those line cliches played in a correct and mathematical way, I mean what's the point ? Now contrast that with something like the sax lines on A Love Supreme.
A Stratocaster and a Telecaster can play some fine jazz and a bunch of other stuff. Not a jazzer here, but when I try to get jazz tones, I have found the amp has a huge impact on the tonality.
My order of preference is #3 , and a close second #5. #4 was the most solid, least I liked here, but still a great sound nonetheless. All things aside like your mic and my speaker freq profiles, ES 175 still came out on top for me.
It makes no difference to the sound whether it's a solid or hollow body because electric guitar pickups use magnets and coils to convert the vibrations of guitar strings into electrical signals by induction, which get converted to sound in the AMPLIFIER. The frame hollow or solid makes not a scrap of difference and anyone who says it does does not know physics. The final sound is ALL IN THE PICKUP and the nature of the string and the pickup position – closer the pickup is to the neck gives you that deeper jazzy sound because at that position there are less higher frequencies in the standing wave of the vibrating string – every guitar string vibrates @ 1/2 wavelength standing wave of the fundamental note and the closer the pickup is to the centre of the string the more deeper the sound. This is why pickups closer to the bridge sound more trebly because there are more higher frequencies at that position. The differences in sound between guitars has everything to do with the nature and construction of the pickup and not all pickups sound the same due to their different construction hence you get different sounds from different guitars but the sound has nothing to do with the shape of the body
The real jazz guitar is the one with the real jazz player. I sold my strat since it felt like a 2 by 4 and sounded thin and trebly, the less suited for jazz in my collection.
Most of your sound comes from the fingers, and has little to do with the guitar. Hendrix sounded roughly the same on his Strat as on a Flying V, with just a slight difference in the tonal colour. An instrument should be mostly chosen because of its precision (hard to play on a guitar structurally out of tune) and comfort of use.
Great video and comparison.
Telecaster is a fair choice tooo
An arse-top? ????????????????
Here's the deal. The guitar is just as much a part of the "outfit" of the performer, as a tight fitting dress on a female vocalist or instrumentalist (or whatever makes for good entertainment). There's a bar in my neighborhood that has a jazz trio every Sunday night, and the guy plays his beautiful D'Angelico with his back to the crowd. And he's a great player. But c'mon man. I wanna see the guitar and the moves! Practice and record on whatever you want. But please, gimmie the most beautiful hollow body you got for the show!
Can you get a decent tone out of a solid body (and equalizer) for comping on (swing) standards?
I didn't try with EQ, but without it i thought the string attack and decay that you get on a hollow body was not there. It sounded a bit harsh and aggressive. Could you make it work somehow?
I think the microphones, cords and cables, PC sound cards, digitization, etc. could make different signals more uniform !?
On the other side, a tape recording sounds different than a CD or a record, all with the same signal…
Another influence: If you move around in the room, it has a big influence on the sound you hear from the amp. The same goes for the position of the microphone when recording.
When we play in the living room, is it perhaps the case that we clearly perceive the differences between different guitars, even if we are influenced by the look, feel, size of the neck or the body???
I liked the last one. Whichever was paired with the red guy. Slightly louder
Great lesson Jens
I will try to get the sound I like rather than the guitar indeed
I must say that the strat definitely does not sound like the Archtop though 🙂
You should use. A. Gibson. Johnny. Smith !!!!!!!!
9:47 I don't really understand the point here.. why is that a solid body problem? From what I understand, your only option on hollow body guitars is also just cutting frequencies..
Do hollow bodies inherently have active EQs? Otherwise I don't get the point. I feel like the further I investigate this topic the less it seems that there is an answer to it.
Then there are semi-hollows, which I understand even less when looking at the differences..
The biggest difference for me are either single coils or humbuckers..
Now.. what about acoustically? How are semi hollows acoustically in your opinion?
I never expected that buying the second guitar would be more complicated (I just can't stand the "twanky-ness" of my strat on the high E string anymore).
The only thing that managed to pick out, is that you have less sustain compared to solid bodies.(thanks to this video).
Nonetheless, thanks for such great videos Jens
I heard one player get a beautiful jazz tone using the neck pickup of a Telecaster.