I “PROFILE” for the first time! IK Tone X Review
I am not the biggest fan of capturing amp profiles because of the business ethics involved. We talk about it in this video and we also take a look at how IK Multimedia handles it with their new TONE X Pedal!
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0:00 Slideshow
1:08 Full Song – The boys are back
4:28 Introduction
4:58 Profiling Rant
12:13 How I want to use it
13:50 Capture
15:00 The Software
18:42 IK Tech Support
20:05 The Pedal
24:41 Some Presets
33:33 My Sounds
40:20 MY2CENTS
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Boss, i love your channel. Its become my goto gear page. I do tire of hearing your disdain for software and hardware named after familliar companies gear. I hear you 100 percent and i think most of use viewers do. But lots of us dont know what a marshall plexi sounds like cranked. Therefore call the patch something generic is not what most of us want. We want a reference to something we may have heard of. Thats it! Please calm down on this.
do profilers typically have less latency than modelers?
it wouldn't be a problem if the sound wasn't perfect, but then if it didn't sound good, then someone would say "well i don't want that real amp "
i think modelers help people decide which real amp they want.
yeah, they can't afford it now, but that's not to say they will never be able to afford a real tube amp over the course of their entire life. ( but there is more that chance if it is really expensive )
Years ago I bought a Gt100 from Boss, a GT-001, then later a Hught & Kettner Grandmaster Deluxe 40, a Pwer Soak from Palmer for my JCM 800 and an ISO box from Grossmann.
Then I have various software amps (Overlouad, NI Guitar Rig, Amlitube etc.) Now the Tonex pedal.
Oh, and not forgetting the Boss Katana Artist.
I've tried a lot of things and I'm still not happy.
So far I can't get the sound I want with anything.
I'm just trying to get a good guitar sound into the DAW quietly in the studio and so far there's nothing that allows me to do that.
Everything costs a lot of money, lots of promises and nothing is really good.
Unfortunately, that's my experience so far.
In addition to all the stuff above, I also have different audio interfaces, DI boxes and more.
Nothing has helped so far.
It's always a problem for me to get a guitar properly connected to the PC or to connect digital devices to an amp.
Nothing seems to work well.
i heard a old man “millionaire” hollywood film concept designer lecture/say,,, if you want to study animals you have to actually go to the jungle because zoos are evil and if you can’t afford the african safari too bad for you peasant/student. i have been to Africa and some zoos, i would say do your research and avoid places like marineland ontario canada where they try to cover up the ???? ☠️ x4. obviously be mindful but personal ethics shouldn’t cripple your creativity. it’s fun and informative to audition expensive gear in a cheap format before buying a three thousand dollar amplifier.
For me it helps to know, if I'm trying to get close to another artists tone, like Neil Young's Tweed tone.
The reason it's important to label them is because they're usually known for their sonic signature. Imagine how hard it would be instead of saying I want a 5150 style amp, to say I want a really high-gain blah blah amp. It would be a giant time waste, and everybody knows what it's modeling anyways.
"amp based on – nope" ????brilliant .~great review , great ethical stance too.
lets say i have a tonex pedal plus a tonex capture and a focusrite interface could i capture my sound made of multiple pedals in conjonction to the tonex pedal tone like (fuzz into tonex into cab)=captured preset
I would never buy the real expensive amps but I agree with you if we all consume profiles of amps the actual amp company should have some kind of royalty.
HERE we go again…Your are desperately trying to justify your issue with Kemper few years ago because of you comercial interests at that very moment…Kemper does not name their amps like real ones…amplitube yes imitate their amps with the same graphics of the real amp…but they endorse and pay you…you have to stop this stuff recognizing that you made a mistake and took an unfair approach against Kemper. Waiting to see your Kemper videos ???? I like your stuff but frequently you let see your puppet wires…the diezel example apply to all the s style g style and t style Clone guitars you review and promote…your disclosure make water all around..I saw your videos reviewing tube screamer clones….come on
???? you are full of ????
I remember my digittech days..clean crunch lead.
Now if you get a modeler or profiler with 50 amps…we are like …only 50?
Totally agree if it sounds good, it is good. i never heard of amps lie the Soldano or VH, dumble etc.. before i got amplitube. (yes i know all the pre 1980 amps like marshall, fender, Vox and orange) so i dont care what its called as long as it fulfils the brief.
I’d argue that the profiles that look like the original unit might actually end up attracting new costumers that otherwise wouldn’t buy their product. No one thinks they actually have a soldano when it’s in plug-in form. But they might end up loving enough to buy the real thingb
Amazing demo, just great ! To be improved : missing an on-board DELAY, but mostly an FX LOOP, and an integrated EXPRESSION PEDAL. Then, this will become the winner in the game
this guy is a tool
TBH, that's a good point in the rant part. All I can say – honestly I don't care that much about the looks and branding if the sound is right for me. All I want to know is how can I replicate it? If I find it on a profiler (without knowing any background for the most amps), can I replicate it somehow without the Tonex pedal? Also a big question: if I like the sound I designed in this profiler or in a software, should I be forced to learn about different sounds of different amps again or is it fine for me to roughly know the amp and the cab I used in software?
Just a thought. Also I know it's too late for you (seen your review of Tonex One), but still, it's a thought.
the most stupid teory about why someone dont like profiles. I was thinking he would say something to the sound or feeling, but he compared it to stealing a ferrari haha
Man, I understand and appreciate your ethical concerns 'coz… at the end o' times… you are f**ing right!
BUT… push your tought about it a little further and think about… the WHOLE "digital domain".
Even the dozen of DAWs available today are somenthing that many years ago you could never have purchased.
And what about vst synths (expecially those "repro" ones of superpriced vintage keyboars), superpriced acoustic instruments… and so on.
When some time ago the "digital" version of the world… was a "mimic" version of the real things… lacking of "reality" it was: yeahmmmhBUT
Nowdays (at least in a mix) those digital things are indistinguishable from the real super$$$$ hardware (and you have tons of $$$ hardware in that rack behind you).
"Democatization" of the digital times … is a fact Baby!
Think about tons and tons of cab IRs that are in your drives instead in a warehouse…
Think about tons and tons of amp heads, keyboards, synths, acoustic pianos, stellar outboards, mix consoles, efxs…
So… your concerns is applicable to all of these "digital versions" of the real things… and even to te vinyl2file2music platform change in the whole music industry.
And think… just in these days… abot what A.I. can do.
So… i think your concerns… is now reduced to a purely "legal" copyright question about the use of a "name".
My50cents
Your ethical rant was too much. That is the benefit of a free market. Also, don’t you think that equipment manufacturers know that their products are going to be replicated? If they’re not making such a big deal about it, then you shouldn’t either.
with all the amp modelers there are always the true analog amps go first, so the analog amps are still have their worth
Your argument at the beginning of this video is just really stupid. Amp manufacturers clone other brands and then put their spin on it and then still advertise them as a dumble or deluxe or plexi , etc "style" amp. What's the big deal if it's referenced as a certain type of amp? It just gives the consumer a reference point for the product. Youre buddies with Friedman…. you give him shit for putting out marshall type amps with his gold faces on the front. Came her to get a tonex review but I'm leaving to go to another channel without the bs soap box message! If you really cared about your position you would've just told IK NO, but money talks and since you're getting paid you'll do it while still promote the idea you're "supposedly" opposed to
Have the tonex and I agree. Dont have the money for the amps i would like but i get the tones, it doesn't even matter what the amp is if it sounds great. 99% ofnthe captures are…… And the 1% are really good and got them with mt ears, not ????️ ????????????
Your philosophy is exactly my point of view when buying Tonex. I'm profiling my own amp to take it with me on the road. Instead of having the whole car loaded with an amp, cab and a pedalboard, I'm just taking the pedalboard
Totally fkn agree on the difficulty in setting up the capture. Been doing my head in for the last week. So worried I’m going to fck up my Marshall.
Who the heck wrote the open song ???????????? was it A.I. generated music?
And on the argument about the damage to business models… Advances in technology do this to companies in all sectors all the time. Business model vs technology is a fight that always ends with the same winner, as sad and unfortunate as that can be.
I find the logic of the rant quite hard to follow, and disagree. A profile is much more akin to a sample of eg a drum machine. You'll hear an 808 sample in a pop record probably several times every day if you listen to mainstream radio. Using an original machine is a different experience and they still sell for a lot of money. The company can't "own" the sound of its amplifiers as part of IP – where would you draw the line? Guitar strings? Plectrums? Capos? Tuners?
On use of logos, trademarks etc, companies have the exact same protections as in any other sector and recourse to the rule of law to defend their work (at least in the west). So if Diezel amplifiers don't like someone using 'Deezel' for example & believe their rights to have been infringed, they should take legal action.
As for the argument about people desiring the brand name vs the quality of the sound, there is plenty of empirical evidence from the sampling world – where the quality of sampling is hugely sought after and there are plenty of mediocre and poor samples of great instruments that fall by the wayside. The market is pretty good at deciding what is a good quality sound in my experience (of course there are exceptions to this).
You are possibly missing the other possible application which is that ToneX helps me to find out which amps I really like and which amps I want to buy. Because all the ToneX amps are strongly labelled by the originals now there is one stop place to find out what sounds like this and that. Of course it depends on the quality of the modelling engineer's work but it is better than nothing. The old fashioned way is to buy them all and find out(after 30 years) that the cheapest and smallest is the one you like most. Currently I think 40% of the sound is in the cab. 20% is in player who is supposed to play something sensible. 20% is the amp. 20% is the guitar. In this context "The Cab" is only a FIR filter(impulse response). It means it has any kind of(arbitrary) frequency response compared to regular filter plugin. Then it possibly tames the amp and also possibly makes it sound delicious. More often not.