Bass Teacher REACTS to JOY DIVISION – “She’s Lost Control” – and it’s a heavy one…
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➡️ I first stumbled onto Peter Hook’s unique bass-playing style hearing New Order for the first time recently, and going backwards to Joy Division has made things start to click. “She’s Lost Control” draws lyrical inspiration from such a heavy story recounted by the late Ian Curtis, and I felt that every pertinent emotion was channeled through this song. Somehow, the bass parts were the melody, the atmosphere, and the intensity all in one fell swoop. I discuss the compositional misdirection that happens after the bass intro, the imaginative soundscapes used to build tension, how the song cleverly transitions into a major-key feel, how the lyrics are storyboarded into the music, and much more.
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0:00 Intro
2:34 Reaction / Analysis
15:01 Final Thoughts
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Mark Michell is an internationally-touring and recording bass player known for his work with Scale the Summit, Tony MacAlpine, Tetrafusion, Watermox, and more. Michell is a published educator and author for Hal Leonard, the world’s largest music publisher, and has taught bass clinics around the globe for many years. He founded Low End University in 2015, and has since enrolled over 2,500 students through his lessons program. Alongside his educational endeavors, he played on many Billboard-charting album releases and is sponsored by Jackson Basses, EMG Pickups, and Dunlop.
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Who the hell cares about a "bass teacher's" reaction…
JOY DIVISION are a genre for themselves. And this is one of the most memorable bass lines in rock music.
Hey man, you were so mesmerized by the major chords, that you missed the syncopation that's going on at the same time.
You want BASS, listen to BAND-MAID 'Manners' (Official Music Video) or for a bit of fun 'Hate' live
My government hates me. I'm starting to take it personal.
I have to say the 12 inch version of she's lost control is way better than the LP version
If I watch Peter hook and the light playing live now,he has 2 bass guitars one playing low notes ( his son) and Peter plays high stuff..
It was just what thousands of British bands were doing that weren't famous in the aftermath of punk when they couldn't play all that well and kind of jammed songs to a bass riff… Even PIL did that.. bands were doing very similar things in bedrooms and village halls in practices and little gigs up and down the country. Some got signed and some didn't. In Britain who gets signed never has much to do with talent in terms of being more talented than contemporaries. There was many bands who did this sort of stuff.
You should have a listen to the song ‘dirty linen’ by Fairport Convention. Dave Pegg is a great bassist 🙂
love the version from gvsB
Surely a reaction to a PIL song is essential for anyone investigating any punk or post punk music where the bass plays a strong role. I would recommend the song 'Poptones' from their second LP 'Metal Box' (aka 'Second Edition').
lets see your thoughts on early new model army bassist stuart morrow
You should scrutinize These days – Hookys funkiest moments. Generally there is not much to dissect musically about Hookys bass lines except that he never plays accompany. It's all lead basically and he thinks in terms of playing the lead melody and that may seem like he's not a very profound bass player. But it all comes together in the most interesting ways, it's almost pop.
If you liked this song, I highly recommend checking out some Bauhaus
I think that second bass is actually a guitar octaved down with effects. There are two great movies which deal with Joy Division – "Control", which is a straight biopic of the band (and excellent), and the bizarre and humorous (but no less accurate) "24 Hour Party People", which deals with the history of Factory Records. Both are well worth a watch. Hannett's peculiar way of recording – and more peculiar personality – is highlighted in the second movie, where he's excellently portrayed by Andy Serkis. So too is the change from Joy Division to New Order.
Joy Division and Gang of Four are Peak The Guitarist And The Bassist Didn’t Meet About What To Play Beforehand
Keanu was right…if you could only hear one song for the rest of your life, a Joy Division tune would be a solid choice.
Still waiting to see you react to Bauhaus.
The loss of Ian Curtis and Joy Division is one of the great tragedies of music.
They didn't necessarily construct the sound around the lyrics and their theme. The way I hear it, most of the time the rest of the band didn't know what Ian Curtis was singing about, and they dealt with it as a sound and a mood, rather than trying to write music around his narratives. They were putting musical ideas together as they felt driven to, and he slotted words into their tunes, if anything, rather than the other way around. It was more happy accident than genius, at least that's what they've said in interviews and in the two movies Control and 24 Hour Party People.
As a lot of songs those days, also this song was slight off tone, sometimes weird if you want to play along 🙂
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD2SfQJOK08 Peter Hook uses his thumb on the e string…see performance
You're a little off with the story, it happened in a job centre, and he didn't know he had epilepsy when he wrote this, not a bad summary though. Someone might know more than me about this specific recording, but Hooky used a 6 string bass quite often, so that might be why they're hard to replicate with your missing string.
Can I ask what bass you use? Its particularly nice.
Peter Hook often played on the high notes on his bass indeed.
Ian Curtis was SUSPECTED of having epilepsy. This was not confirmed.
A band with a unique approach to bass you might interested in is The Presidents of the United States of America. The bassist used a two-string bass with C# and G# strings only (christened a "basitar"), while the guitarist used a three string guitar with C# low, G#, and C# high strings (named the "guitbass"). All their strings were unusually heavy gauge.
@LowEndUniversity Bouncing Souls – True believers – is another punk [band /song] you might appreciate.
The ascending line is a guitar. Played by Bernard Sumner. Not a bass. Great song. Great influence on many bands to come.
Oh god. The “reimagined” videos are all garbage. Just listen to the song, don’t watch any of these crappy lightweight new videos. Yuck
Hook had bad gear, I think his Rickenbacker was a Honda? Between the bass and his amp, he had very little volume, to be heard he had a tendency to 'play the high notes". This could have been managed in the studio, but by the time they got to the studio, the songs had already been written that way. That was the sound of the band. On a number of songs he plays a 'melody' over an open string played like a drone, Love will tear us Apart – there best known song uses the A,D,and G individually as a drone during the course of the riff – a lot of people miss this, since they are not used to using a string above the ones they are playing on as a drone, it is typically lower strings. Again, this style was developed as a way to make a weak bass amp compete with a much louder guitar amp
The live version of Transmission is so intense.
Love Joy Division!
By the way, Ned's Atomic Dustbin had 2 bass players.
He strums open d on that main riff there a fantastic live version of this and transmission on YouTube. Way better versions of those songs
Joy division is a tough listen every time. Mood music at its best. Check out a band called the sound and magazine for some more outstanding post punk with fantastic bass players
I kinda know Peter Hook ????! He signed my vinyl sleeve of their timeless classic Closer. He also sent me a t-shirt through the post! A great bloke.
~ C was here in Sep 2024
ngl, thats quite clearly a guitar, not a low bass. love the videos tho, you cover some amazing music that no other channel does
Transmission
Always preferred this version instead https://youtu.be/Hzd5inljWhA?si=TrthnyLUI3I_ECCU
Hooky used to play so high on the neck because when they first started playing his gear was so cheap the bottom end sounded diabolical. He tried playing further up the neck and Curtis preferred the sound, so they stuck with it.
Just a little info… my father in law worked with Ian Curtis at the smaller place in Macclesfield, which you can see at the start of the film about Curtis called "Control" …
when Ian leaves his house in Barton Street, crosses South Park Road to enter the building. It's an excellent movie and many of the other locations in the film are historically correct. They even moved modern cars, and parked older cars in the streets for example.
He said that Ian was very conscientious with his work, but also had an intense, maybe depressed side to him. Being the generation above, he didn't know who Joy Division were untill later, but I definitely got from him good vibes about Ian, with him expressing that it was such a shame that he didn't get find the correct help with his mental health.
Warsaw ,i think may be the best way to analyse Hooky's work.
Definitely a track that feels different depending on which recording you hear, this (the 1979 studio version), the 1980 synth heavy re-recording, and the live recordings. And then there's intense video footage of JD performing live. Difficult to pick a favourite.
@Low End University, you should watch this to see it played live by the band and see who plays what and to see Ian dance and perform. https://youtu.be/FD2SfQJOK08?si=McQWPoSFDCvts55u
If the studio version blew your mind, don´t listen to the live in Paradiso version xD
you won´t be ready
Control is the name of a 2007 biographical film about the life of Ian Curtis, singer of the late-1970s English post-punk band Joy Division.
I first heard this song from girls against boys, so didn't hear joy division until much later. I didn't know the back story both from the band and song, so thank you for including this as well.
Joy Division is finding a new audience these days!!! I think there was also a movie called Curtis about him. Oh and they do have a song called These Days if I remember right. I love Joy Division.
A suggestion: Radiohead's "Where I End And You Begin" (the live "From The Basement" version).
That ‘high hat’ sound is an aerosol spray!