Make Your Helix FEEL Like a REAL AMP – Amp in the Room Tones and Tips
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Originally posted by UCkL4v-tohdDZX7kzmL9b2UA at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-4NTCWrKzg
Dude this sounds beautiful ????????????????
I can't see a point to do all those tricks. "In the room" sound is just an effect of the air moved by the speaker. Everything else is just electronics.
So if you want your gear sound like "in the room" send a signal through a good speaker.
That's the only trick you must know ????
This PRS SS Tone is stunning
It’s a room, but the reflections are so intense that it feels unusable.
Lately I've been running my Helix into the front of a clean dry amp like a "pedal platform" set up. No amp or cab modeling just using Helix overdrive models and it sounds incredible! Ive had the Helix several years before trying this what a shame..
Love all your presets but especially your Glassy work so well for me!! I’ve tried to make one but it fails…..Anyway to get a Glassy Placater 2024?? Please!! 🙂
solution : buy a big a** speaker.
make you neighbor rage again.
Hot take: I like the feeling and sound of amp “not in the room”. Anyone else?
Thank you for your always great content!
Great sounds John, when i get my Helix Floor I will get them from your site!
Helix is the most beautiful and best amp modeler ever made, even this day 2024.
How come the tap 3 and 4 levels are at 0, wouldnt that effectively make them do nothing?
I just use the Dynamic Room at 51 % mix, Decay at 3 ms, Pre Delay at 0. Highly suggest.
Really love that intro improv—the lines, the phrasing, and the tone! —Tom
Doesnt sound like amp in room, but it's better
I cannot find this in gumroad folder. Am I missing something?
Great playing and tone, as usual
Looks interesting, not on the drive, only Gumroad?
My memory of an amp in the room is a 10 year old memory with my (then) PWE Event Horizon 3, cranked in a practice room. That memory is of a much thicker, much more present sound, than I can get from a modeller, and I think that is the Mic. Mics totally change that sound, and I just don't think any amount of bouncing that mic'd sound around the room with delays or reverbs really gets that sound back, especially if the sound is high gain 80s rock (which is where I live). I think it's a much different proposition when you are playing clean or edge of break up lead stuff. Mics, delays, reverbs, they just change the dirty rhythm sound too much to my ears – I can't imagine this trick working with the Appetite For Destruction rhythm sound.
I found best way is to get amp in the room is to plug into back of the amp, dumble styles work well for it because of how power section is passive and lively
Following on.. unlimited tracks make for engineers and producers making the recordings instead of the musicians, unlike the old days where it was one take with the whole orchestra, and if you didn't get it in two takes, all those musicians had to get paid for another twenty minutes. The more people that come between a musician and audience ( eg live sound people), the less faithfull is the art, and instead of becoming a delivery person for the FOH person, any guitarist could learn the "art" of fine-tuning their equipment and inter-instrumental EQ and balance, so the audience gets a positive result, no longer being dependant on a usurping third-party interloper in the occasion.
All this Pfaffing about through menus to copy reality,… or ( let's think outside the box),… just use the amp in the room. ( Maybe that could be almost as convincing as contrived settings on digital gear?) Tail is wagging the dog if you are slaving to assist the sound engineer…. sound reinforcement means the other way around,… the engineers are working to assist and enhance the musician. Silent stage for the engineer's benefit? Hell no! The trouble is, so much of live sound is catered to by industry and venues, that band musicians are longer forced to learn how to set up their amps and adjust their onstage sound, and balance of levels before they arrive at the venue, so are at the mercy of some mix person. Each venue will make your amp sound different,and it should be your responsibility to set levels and bslances between instruments at the practice room, so tgat all you have to do is make minor adjustments at the gig. Because no one is learning that anymore, the tyranny of engineers is in its ascendancy. The same thing happens in recording. No one is a one take wonder anymore because instant unlimited t
Here's what I do: Open back headphones are a must. I use a pair of Sennheiser HD600 or HD58X, whichever is closer to my desk. Sennheisers are especially good because they have a natural high end roll-off that works well with modellers. Set a global EQ to attenuate frequencies above 8khz. Or you can do it in the cab settings. You can use a combination of both to get really granular. Guitar amp speakers have very limited frequency response beyond this. Finally, utilize the dynamic ambience reverb, IN STEREO. It's more than just a room reverb. It's intended to simulate the acoustic space around you, the player. I use it whenever I'm not using reverb as an effect. Sometimes I pull the headphones off just to make sure I disabled direct monitoring on my interface. It's kind of crazy how convincing it sounds.
If you want the sound of an amp in the room then just get an amp in your room! Modelers aren't supposed to sound like an amp in the room!
You can make any modeler feel much more like a real amp by attaching heavy weights to it
Bruh this whole video needs rerecording
NIce! So my Helix floor isn't a paperweight. lol. I kid, I know it's good, but I bought mine right before the FM9 came out and I've been bummed about it. It's been tough to dial in a good live metal tone. Maybe this amp in the room will help. Easy purchase. Thank you!
You forgot to introduce your toilet. Which informs tempo, key, and when you just dropped a deuce.
To me, amp in the room isn't so much about reflections, reverb and/or delay, it's more about the tone and directionality of the speaker. Far field IRs can capture this somewhat. But there's no substitute for a guitar speaker in the room, maybe open back too.
Nice
All I hear is lethal weapon 6.
What happened to your voice recording ?
Distorted and Choppy … after the jam intro
Guitar recording is smooth and clear.
I use my PowerCab 212+ on the "Speaker" setting to get the amp in the room sound.
Nice tone
Question. Can you not just get that space from a reverb or from setting up/emulating a “room” mic (mic positioned far away) in a duel cab block like people do in a studio?
Interesting technique. Have to give it a try. I have been loading Ownhammer mid and Room IRs when I'm noodling. Gets a bit closer than close mic versions. Or maybe just sounds different lol.
This is also a way to liven up a dull SS practice amp. I've been doing some version of this since the 80's.
Nice tip thank you
we are waiting for a concept album, John nathan . When ?
I put an echo block at the end of signal chain on my hx stomp, and by adjusting the decay, it gives a bit of room reverb sound without all the reverb "high end" frequencies. This helps alot when running the stomp into an amp as well. Note: echo is always on.
I noticed a few Presets on my HX Stomp that sounded like a live Amp through Headphones had a tasteful "Ping Pong" reverb on them. It sounds gimmicky if too loud.
Another thing I stumbled upon not too long ago was adding a few dBs to the "Output Node" of a Preset can make it sound more like a Tube Amp, softening the highs and thickening the mids in a natural sounding way. I compensated for the change in volume. I have not been able to replicate the tone results in Helix Native. YMMV
I had often struggled to make anything sound like the amp in the room… Recordings always sound so darn good! My solution was to use a decent power amp and drive a cabinet… I've never been happier!
Some interesting ideas there ???? – Sounds nice
Excellent phrasing man.
I've been doing a binge of your stuff, these past few days….and this kind of articulation, and melodic linings are really my thing. Specially when you are able to most escape the pentatonic stuff.
Oh…and the tone! Hehe
Kudos
the Cab update really made a huge difference in my opinion. I'm waiting to see what the new update is [I guess you're putting this out for a reason wink wink]. I'm really happy w Floor, all this time later. Can't imagine what they could add.