Beginning Recording Series | Gain Staging – From Guitar to Plugin
In this video, Steven takes us through proper gain staging from the guitar to the interface, to the input and output of the Fortin NTS Suite. Gain staging is the act of dialing in signal flow and it’s one of the fundamental keys to ensuring the best tone possible.
—
Try the Neural DSP Fortin NTS today!
https://neuraldsp.com/products/fortin-nts-suite/
—
Connect with Neural DSP
Facebook: https://business.facebook.com/NeuralDSP
Twitter: http://twitter.com/NeuralDSP
Instagram: http://instagram.com/NeuralDSP
Connect with Steven:
E-mail: Steven@NeuralDSP.com
Instgram: @therealstevezee
Steven Ward Preset Folder: http://bit.ly/SWPresets
#NeuralDSP #RecordingTutorial #MixTutorial
#Beginning #Recording #Series #Gain #Staging #Guitar #Plugin
Originally posted by UCAQxw9Ko_TSj8XkpPoSwKAQ at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acfq8kRTqJE
So why is it that EVERY neural dsp plugin demo has no noticeable noise floor/background hiss present, but neural dsp "customer service" says it is an unavoidable occurrence when using high gain amp sims?
I have seen a lot of using pedals from one plugin to drive the other. But never seen anyone taming the output and input gain.
I am assuming you are still wanting not to peak the input of the second plugin. Sounds common sense, but never seeing people alter these makes me question things. The Grind really sends a lot of out out as you would imagine it to do so, so I. The plugin itself it's boosting the signal, but going to a second plugin, is it still having. This effect if your taming the input output gain. Would be really interesting to know the answer to this.
Thank you.
It's a very tricky subject. The Neural website recommends a global input knob with peaks -14dB to -9 dB inside the plugin. Some suggest a weak DI signal (type gain 0 on the Focusrite interface), to avoid saturation and lost dynamics. I have experimented with a di-signal of -6 dB alternatively -14 dB to -10 dB from my interface.
The video looks more like -6dB and close to clipping? Thank you.
I'm sure you've noticed recent debate about 0 gain on interface thing. Any video update, Neural?
What's this with people all the sudden saying to turn your interface knob down all the way when recording?
Just came here from Rabea's video about gain staging into Neural DSP plugins. I don't understand why this video is saying that we should maximise Di signals without clipping, meanwhile Rabea says his method has always been to keep interface gain at 0, as to get the most accurate representation of the amplifier. I'm sure everyone would appreciate an updated video from John from Neural in order to settle the confusion. It needs to be said by a worthy source. The Internet is going crazy over finding the correct solution and we need our minds put to rest. Thank you
So its obviously the experts doing the video but it just doesn't make any sense to me. So maybe someone can explain: My guitars have very different output levels. If I do the gain staging on the interface like told in the video this is effectively introducing a clean boost in most cases. Real amps are voiced in a way that works with a certain input level. I would have expected that plugin manufacturers also work with some sort of reference level. Unfortunately this example (not saying it sounds bad, peace) is high gain but as soon as you go into low gain territory this way of doing it seems wrong. Of course the answer can be "just trust your ears" but this video is about rules …
Can anybody out there tell me if (or why)that DI BOX is necessary?
1. As opposed to straight in to interface
2 although I do not do that… even if just bypassing for plugins on PC, i run through my effects/amp modelrr pedal, which = preamp
Hello! Good video! Don't suppose you could answer this question for me please? Is there a difference between using pre-gain on Cubase or using the input gain of the amp, or do they essentially both do the same job (control the amount of signal before entering other stages)?
Ok but what's the difference between volume, master, and output? I understand how volume and master work on a real amp but why 3 knobs on a virtual one?
Isn't output and master pretty much the same?
Hello!! Do I still need a DI box if I’m plugging into an Apollo twin x??
I saw that you adjusted the output to compensate for high input and so on, with your output turned down what level do you hit then with your peak? -12 db or another level?
So you don’t play into an amp? You just play your riff without hearing it?
hi ive got the gain down at 0 on my focusrite 2i4 (gen1), padding button is on, i am not necssarily clipping as seen on the focusrite halo ring but in daw comes to orange and near red sometimes, my average db in my DAW is showing as around -4, is there anything i can do to try lower this a bit? its the normal ibanez v7 bridge pickup so not super hot or anything.
Do you have to have a DI? Or can you just run a cable from a guitar into a Scarlett solo and have good results?
Hello could you explain to me what is really the goal of the DI before the interface? Thank you
Will the tone be that much different without a di box? (Just straight Into the inst input of the audio interface)
instead of just recording yourself fucking with a bunch of plugins why dont you explain wtf youre doing, this is supposed to be for beginners
Hey, why are you editing only one amp if you have a double-tracked guitar? Are they connected somehow?
Why do you need a DI box? Why cant you just go straight into the interface?
I have a question, I'm using the cory wong archetype, when going out of my DI box and into my interface preamps I usually adjust the gain to hover around – 12dbfs with peaks a bit higher than that. Is that a good gain level to get into the neural dsp plugins? And I didn't understand how do you use the output level on the plugin itself, what's the ideal output range, still somewhere between – 18dbfs and – 12 as is it done for gain staging in other type of instruments?
I had been using a 2i2 Scarlett for 8 months but now I have an Apollo Twin X
I plug my guitar in and get the Hi-Z channel automatically – and like so many Guitar players I lose any headroom I might need
Since my Input Gain is absolutely at minimum, the only option I can see is getting a DI Box – which I have never ever used before
To be able to even begin Gain Staging properly – cause this thing clips every damn time unless it's for a really quiet part.
And if I start double tracking… forget about it.
So I might try the DMG free Plug-in first – but I'm wondering about the use of DIs – seems every Neural DSP user has them……?
The waves in my guitar tracks are so small.
Why? (I'm using Reaper)
Shouldnt it be -18db gain staged before hitting the plugin?
Not close to red
2:56 It doesn’t make any sense for me. The sound doesn’t sound any different to me??
Awesome info and very informative video but, my dude. Seriously? EVERY note is edited on the recordings? Do we REALLY need to sound like robots?