I dismissed Pino Palladino (The Truth)
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Ever look back and cringe at your early bass choices? Scott and Ian swap stories about the mistakes they made chasing speed and flash — including the time they dismissed players like Pino Palladino, Michael League, and Jonathan Maron as “boring.” They break down how your ear (and your priorities) change over time — and why it matters.
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Video Breakdown:
00:00 – Introduction
04:30 – Players that RIP
06:54 – The 5-Day Bass Breakthrough Bootcamp
10:30 – Diana Krall
18:00 – The Wheel Jerk Moment
21:21 – Slept On Bass Players
28:00 – Pino Palladino
33:30 – Travis Carlton
39:40 – Justin Meldal-Johnsen
44:15 – Flashy Bass Playing
48:10 – Becoming A Supportive Bass Player
49:50 – Final Thoughts
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Disco bass. I'm probably from the same school as Ian, and I just detested disco music, but as the years go by, and other styles use those techniques, I gotta say, Disco bass is very cool, and somewhat bitchy to play. I also was probably dismissive of Jamerson. I did decide I needed to go back and discover the idols of my idols, and Motown was front and center there. My change was more gradual and intentional, there wasn't a shocking moment of, "I've been an idiot all along". More OK, what's next, what's more better. Not just more.
My emperor's new clothes moment. I watched a Who concert video, love the band, the songs, and Entwhistle's bass lines. There was a bass solo section I watched twice. The first time I geeked out over his "thunder fingers" technique (I've since learned some of it, but it doesn't work with all my fingers) Then I watched the solo a second time, and it was fast run up the neck, then down the neck, up then down. He changed from G to A, played a G, then an A, and did the same fast runs up and down. I thought musically it was TERRIBLE. Now it was a bass solo for The Who, maybe not a carefully thought-out musical expression, and maybe I was going through the change from Bass Solo Star to support playing and groove, but I remembering thinking, The Emperor is Naked!!
I KNEW you were going to say the album was “Try!” With Pino Palladino and John Mayer! I’m so thrilled because that was the album that introduced me to Pino Palladino — I was embarrassed to learn that I hadn’t actually heard of him before (but had certainly HEARD him). I had a “similar but opposite” reaction to that album; I had always felt pressured to love the shredders in the bass world, but I grew up listening to blues and Motown and I really loved that in-the-pocket Jamerson kind of sound. When I heard Palladino play on that album, specifically on “Out of My Mind”, I was floored. THIS was the guy I wanted to play like!! So subtle and beautiful, supportive but essential.
I started as a guitar player and dudes……. I wanted to shred. After some life events happened, I took a break from music. Now that I've returned (and become a bass player) I actually listen to music again! Like when I was a kid, before my ego and self worth were tied up in if I was a good guitar player or not. It's refreshing to listen to music without such a narrow lens. I enjoyed this podcast a lot! thanks!
Pino on Wonderland- Paul Young.????????
I’m about the same age as you guys and stated playing in 92 at 13. (Anesthesia) – Pulling Teeth was go me wanting to pick up the instrument but realized within a month or so that wasn’t what was played in most songs… ALSO my parents were professional musicians and ran a recording studio, and my musical education came from a lot of “hey kid let me show you something” and at 15 I got drafted as bassist when they have a bunch of people for Sunday jams… anyway…one of the bassist that occasionally recorded there and would do fillin gigs was a fusion fiend and lent me the Jaco lesson video… and it was such a turn off… and soured me on all the flashy fusion dudes the bass player magazine was seemingly always trying to force feed you… it made me hate jazz and fusion for most of my teens.. the turn around on jazz was I got an upright when I was 18 and my cousin played me Charles Mingus’s the clown album.. then I say Ray Brown live… which got me listening and checking out albums.. still not super hot on fusion.. but I’ve come to terms with it and respect the players.. because along the way… Zappa.. and most fusion to me sounds like people trying to play Zappa music.. minus the fart jokes ????
Adding: I started on p with flats.. I hated the sound of new rounds for a long time..I’d play a bass it a store and it sounded like crumpling tin foil to me… it took me YEARS to respect rounds even when a lot of my favorite players used them… ????
I can't say I relate, tbh- but I came to the bass in an odd way. I fell in love with it playing very simple, 2 bar, basic bass lines. I didn't hear the bass and fall in love with it; I didn't see it and think "Man that looks cool."- I did all of that with guitar. And I played guitar for over 40 years. But one day at practice, I picked up the bass- and because I didn't know how to play much, I had to play simple, 2 bar, root note bass lines. Anyway- that's how I fell in love with it- that feeling of being directly connected to the beat, to the groove- addicted me instantly. I found out that even if we played really simple, 4/4 stuff- to me it felt like jamming because I was directly connected to the groove, to the pocket. And luckily that feeling never faded, I can still play some super simple, in the box, 4/4 line and when it smoothly connects back to itself- I get something out of that man, I don't know what it is- but I really like it. A hit of dopamine I would suspicion, but why my brain is like "Oh my god it's a loop." and then jizzes itself, I do not know. Something about the way the tail fits so perfectly back in the mouth- just gets me- it's the most beautiful thing I've ever found in this otherwise abrasive world. So, I've always liked just good, solid bass lines- doesn't have to be slap or soloing or anything like that.
That said, I love slap and soloing and all that fancy, party tricks, whatever you want to call it- I'm a whore, I'm in- let's go. Let's slap it like it owes us money. Oooh, that was a regrettable line huh? That sounded really creepy- sorry about that. Sometimes when us white ppl try to sound cool- yeah, we can't jump either- not our "thing". We're much more into appropriation, oppression, and exploitation, really good at that….
One of the reasons i didn’t like fenders for a long time but now I am looking for that fender P bass sound with flats. I use to play like I had to throw the kitchen sink at every thing.
The Diana Krall story is what I always wanted to be too, and I think it might be something that leads people to the bass. I've met so many quiet patient and nice bass players. Bass players, in general, are not like drummers who are, in general, not like guitarists/singers. Who usually has their stuff together for the van? The bass player. Who is most likely to help the drummer load in and out? The bass player. Who is the most reliable navigator? The bass player.
Hehe … of course some of us are useless crazy idiots too 🙂
King Crimson changed all my of perception back in 2006 ,
Not listening to the Grateful Dead until my late 20s, now that I get the music and am a full on deadhead, I feel like Phil Lesh does not get enough love from the bass community
For me the one who change everything was Freddie Washington. Perfect timing gear side musician.
Ultimate bass era is 78-88 when bass was at its zenith
Is there a prize for watching all 47 Pino videos on this channel?
Couldn't hear Pino Palladino over the Cellphone!
percy jones, his work with brand x and on eno's another green world is goated
Whenever they refer to “JMJ” I always think “Jean Michel Jarre?!”
Ian’s Diana Krall story is a great life lesson, not just band member lesson. Great stuff, guys!
Thanks guys, l always enjoy your enthusiasm for the craft, the instrument & for music !
you got me on this 38:25 ???? …tbh was my first thought when the "flats on P-basses" tone trend comes
The fun part about picking up instruments as a very young adult is that most of the excesses of youth had mostly escaped me lol. I learnt all the instruments I play with the explicit purpose of just being proficient enough to play for the music. So anytime I’ve been interested in chops it’s really only been because I heard it within a musical context I liked lol.
Gene Simmons. Just kidding
Bring on Danny Sapko, my brother!!!!
Macca was and is my fav bass player
Finally Travis Carlton getting some cred! Please for the love of god do some coverage of JT Cure (Chris Stapleton) at some point. He's the most creative country bassist out there right now and his work on the newest Stapleton is his best yet
I was a chops guy. I grew up listening to The Beatles and Motown thanks to my parents, and then hit the 80s and 90s in full stride with rock, metal and grunge. I hate to admit this now, but I passed on Chi Cheng for about a decade. Once I really started paying attention to how he crafted his basslines, it was a lightbulb moment.
Hey Scott and Ian, great episode good stuff. 2 things 1 – when we are young we feel strong, are confident and think we are superior – its only bad and ridiculous if you miss to mature. 2 the beatiful Carlton Ellis solo is featuring Miles Davis track Jean Pierre – and yeah in a very tasteful way on the bass. Maybe you state that somewhere between the lines, then I missed it – cheers to serve. Peace
Mine was Jeff Ahmet- Pearl Jam,.,., I just thought he was mediocre at best, all to find out, he is in a league of his own….
28:35 Pino on this concert was peak groove, feel, timing, and tone!!! It totally changed how I approach my bass playing, choosing to pick my moments and make them groovy and impactful rather than just showy and overbearing 🙂
I've had a few gigs over the years that I hated… But learned soooo much from, and left a better musician because of it. The first being a country cover band – not my wheel house at all, but it was so fun and I learned a whole new vocabulary. The second, which I more or less hated every minute of was a Roy Orbison tribute… And even though I hated it I left with a whole new appreciation for the song writing and learned stuff… So take the gig, and save your judgement for after the fact.
You probably didn't understand the music to start with ????. Pino's tone by itself should make one listen. Maturity is important
Guess it makes the song complete and makes the bassists real important. The best bassists take the whole performance into a different dimension making it so great. The bassists do make a real big difference. It makes the song richer and powerful in its own way.
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So did I.
And soo what..!?
Never heard of him.
Me I play strictly reggae.
Somebody should start a YouTube-Playlist with all the cited videos in SBL.
I'd love to see you guys hook up with Dane Alderson, he is doing things at ridiculous musical levels
I struggled learning guitar for a while because everything pushed at me was lead, solos, shredding kind of stuff. Don’t get me wrong, i love Santana and Slash. But i felt out of love for it, took a break, then stumbled into bass one day. What an instrument. Definitely my thing is the rhythm and feel you get from the bass. Wish i had found it all those years ago. It’s not my personality to be flashy so all those flashy, tappy, slappy players are a turnoff for me. To each their own. I’m thinking maybe going back to guitar but shift to rhythm play. I think that will make me love it again.
What effects/pedals is Jean Pierre using??? Around 35:40 for example
CURIOUS- Why haven’t you featured the bass lines of Southern Rock Groups?
Lynyrd Skynyrd- Tuesday’s Gone
Allman Brothers- Midnight Rider
ZZ Top- Gimme Three Steps
Molly Hatchet- Whiskey Man
Black Foot- Highway Song
Black Crowes- Hard to Handle
Would love to see them broken down! For me the bass always seems to lag a bit, giving anticipation- Love it!!
Best from Texas
As a former guitarist, it was ALL bassists and the bass itself I thought was lame. Definitely didn’t get Paul McCartney and the Beatles, neither.