Comparing The BEST Amp Sims With The SAME Cab
Miami tries out the amp sims from the other major competitors in the amp sim world to see just how much of a difference the cabinet ir makes.
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Originally posted by UCRNZKbfxvdyFNYWrWNNf3AA at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mystiTTQwWY
Bravo making this video, love the honesty and not just a video saying ours is better than theirs. Actually making fair comparisons and how another company's product may work for you and why one didn't but may work for someone else. I'd recommend checking out Bogren Digital's new AmpKnob, as a single knob amp sim.
What is the name of the song? I like it very much.
STL sounded the best because of the 8x oversampling
Its always like everything in life… The combonation of evreything
With this combuter music, YES the i.r
Really make a diffrents!!!
Its always like everything in life… The combonation of evreything
With this combuter music, YES the i.r
Really make a diffrents!!!
Its always like everything in life… The combonation of evreything
With this combuter music, YES the i.r
Really make a diffrents!!!
yes!
The cab is the most important.
But the mercury did sound a lot different than the ones before it, and threw me off for the rest of the comparison 🙂
That's why every manufacturer tries to sew the cabinets in so that they can't be pulled out, each amp head still has many advantages over others because the settings are very different, but yes, the final sound forms the cabinet.
It is interesting to hear what you can wind up in the new plugin from TSL Tonality: Josh Middleton, because there are some of the exact emulations of the famous amp simulators. I use Torpedo Wall of Sound – Two notes, in addition to standard cabinets, wave files, that's where miracles happen with cabinet tincture.
what cab did you use
what cab ir did u use
Yes, I LOVE Mercuriall, great amp sims great value.
In this particular demo, I liked Gojira, Waves and JST the most tho.
There's no doubt about who has the best YouTube channel, that's for sure ????
How loud is the DI signal?
I’m sure the guys can agree that head is very important.
Cab really. This is actually what made Guitar Rig 6 sound sooo good was that all their old amp models are the same as GR5 but the cabs they got for GR6 are from ownhammer and MAN it sounds like new
The cold hard reality to me is that… i could use any of them to great effect, with eq in the mix and so on…. i'd use any of them. I could work with any. i'd get great results. I mean, they're all going to get me there. Man, we'v have come a long way from the pod 2.0. It all sounds great. i mean, let's get real. If you can't get good results with one of the other… it,s not the plugin it's you mix abilities. I apreciate your transparency here instead of blatantly trying to pump up your own product. It's transparent and ethically sound. I mean it!
No matter the amp sim, always keep in mind of the 4K.
I’m just tryna know what song this example was made from ????
Cool tune.
Nice green screen…
Excellent video sir! I must say, literally every single one of your videos I have watched has been awesome! Pretty sure i have seen them all too.
Thanks for sharing this video!
It took me many years to realize that (in my opinion at least) the cabinet makes up the larger percentage of your tone. Ever since then, I've told people; "Run 1 amp through 6 different cabs and you'll get 6 different tones. Run 6 amps through 1 cab and you'll get 6 very similar tones".
When questioning what kind of impact the cabinet has on your overall tone; run a high gain distortion pedal into a clean poweramp and out of a quality cab and see what kind of results you get.
That said, I believe our biggest improvement as far as overall "good tone" goes in regards to modeling has been the cabinet emulation.
i think that you can fit any of those amps in the mix. they all do the mixing job. but there's so much more that that.
the real difference is in how vst amps behave in terms of responsiveness and how close they are to the real amps.
unfortunately if you put the question like that you'll be left with almost no options but the neuraldsps.
the rest of the vst amps just don't feel real and responsive enough when you play through them.
Slight EQ variations between all of amps. They all sound good in the mix…. hence…. idk why make any fuss about it.
If more evidence was needed… 90% if the tone is the IR, expecially with high gain.
Good stuff!
i remember demoing the Jeff Loomis toneforge thinking it was just another metal sim. I was surprised at how diverse it could get.
IR/cab makes the biggest difference.
Interesting to see how you dial in the sims. Particularly the treble and presence so high. This was cool. Not sure it it was level matched though.
With the same impulse response, you can dial similar enough sounds on any of the amps for usable tones. Slight variations are due to eq and gain setting differences.
Awesome stuff – I'm an old school metal fan – Priest, Maiden, RIP Randy Rhoads – but I am also part of the digital age – did a gig in the 90s using the Zoom 9001 (the blue one) plugged direct into the board and even got feedback out of the monitors….so I love using IRs and amp sims when recording. I just don't enjoy the sound of a downtuned guitar – tuning the entire thing to C just makes the whole thing sound like it's underwater for me – maybe I sound old… shit happens – so I honestly could barely tell the difference with what I was hearing. What I DID hear is how well you dial in an amp – definitely a skill well developed. Any chance you could make a video for us old school players still kicking the can (cab?)?
As long as the sound is realistic enough, it doesn't make much of a difference, and all of them can be dialled to sound nice in the mix. JST, Neural DSP, and Mercurial all sounded good to me.
Personally, I don't think comparing amp sims (that come with cab sims) is useful because in most cases, they're designed around their own cabs. You can see it real well in Archetype Gojira. The high gain one is obviously based on EVH5150III. It sounds nothing like the NDSP version of the EVH5150III from Quad Cortex. For all it's worth: people overestimate how much of a difference the amp modeling makes. Y'all be like: wow, this sounds so great when I play through it. Does it matter in a mix? Nope. Recently had a Death Metal song mixed by an engineer. I was blown away by how good and fast the mix turned out (he said it was like 5h of work, including editing). Know what he used? Good, old Ben Bruce.
Made a similar video couple of months ago and found the cab has the biggest affect. The amps' distortion character is very Important too.
take one amp sim & try with different cabs . lets hear that difference too .
Amp = saturation
Cab = tone
Getting the right IR's was the biggest part of me being happy with my tones. I think these sims all sounded really good, but I'm really impressed with the good 'ol Emissary, which is free, still hanging with the big boys! Still use that one from time to time. Great video!
The IR made most of the sound, but the massive difference the Mercuriall had, I guess is attributed to the very different gain structure of a Mesa Mark type amp. All the other sims used some sort of 5150 variant/clone, as far as I can see. Someone once tried this with the Neural DSP Gojira and Nolly plugins, using the same IRs on the Red Gojira model and the 5150 model in Nolly. It sounded identical. So I guess, the gain structure or tone stack of a sim matters, but the IR matters more.
I use and love stuff from Neural DSP, STL and JST. My go-to at the moment seems to be the STL Amphub. I just love how it's set up and how each sounds. It's one of the only subscriptions I do, they release a new amp model and/or pedal every month! And I love the JST Anvil IR pack, I use that all the time and I'm STOKED to try this secret stash. Thanks for that, JST! 🙂