Do THIS to get AMP LIKE Tones from FRFR Speakers
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Here’s a pretty simple way to adjust your presets so that they consistently sound pretty decent through FRFR/PA type speakers…
1:44 What’s up with this then
2:52 Why tweaking for FRFR is a GREAT IDEA
3:30 What I personally prefer
4:03 Remember to set up how you ACTUALLY play
5:05 Tinny sounds?
7:05 Get it sounding good here, and you’ll be fine
7:48 No High Cut
7:55 With High Cut at 4khz
8:23 Don’t be shy
8:55 What can we do with that AC30 tone
10:39 My Own Presets
12:25 Closing thoughts – it’s easier than I expected?
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Originally posted by UCkL4v-tohdDZX7kzmL9b2UA at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fvNUWvG-w4
You’re spot on , speaker cab and power amp (i use the fx return in my boogie 2c) and front of house gets output 2 from the axefx 3 with the IR cab in the path
I have this particular monitor as well. This db Tech FM8 is actually entirely made of wood (probably mdf) with plastic covers screwed to the wood sides. It is pretty bass heavy, though, but not because of plastic construction. It's also dual concentric with tweeter centered in the middle of the woofer. It's a nice little monitor just a bit light on power for louder band use and not as refined (or expensive) as the clr. Too bad they don't make them anymore. That said I am cutting from 100Hz down and 6K and up. Output EQ for only the monitor gets a slight boost at 4K for some sparkle.
The Fender FR10 and FR12 sound like amps to me
40hz to 5400hz no reason to go anymore with guitar. E1 to E8
Remember what sounds best on its own is not likely to be the best sound to cut through the mix of a band especially if there is competition with other guitars or keys. Keep the mids up, cut the bass and dial back the distortion a little. When I think I have a good sound, I tweak it with a "full" sounding backing track. Goal is to have it cut through the most with the least amount of volume.
Muy buen vídeo . Muy interesante .
I recently discovered these kind of speakers on the website of one of my local guitar stores. I usually do small bar gigs and i usually end up using my line 6 spider V or my boss street cube 2. I like using the street cube better because it's alredy built to have a upward angle and with my boss gt-1 it sounds even better. So I'm looking for a similar kind of speaker so i can run my gt 1 into it but with more voltage so I have more headroom if possible for bigger places, so this seems like a good option for me
Your first tip, which you should have followed, should have been to get a decent modeler. Those tones were crap. All of them.
It simply doesn't make sense to expect any 8'' system to replicate a 10/12/15'' system pro rata.
'Any' modeller with a decent quality of sims requires a full range p.a.type cab end game accordingly, -your demo is not great, because you are giving it only via a 2 way 8'' example only.
The fact there are various conventional cabs/combo's used mainly as required to obtain benchmark guitar tones for live or recording use your example is badly flawed and very misleading.
I had a Yorkville Y100W Wedge laying around and tried using that after it didn't work well with my Vdrums. With the QC though it sounds better than I'd argue my tube amps. It's loaded with a 15" Speaker and it punches you like a proper tube amp.
I hadn't tried any other amps so I still have nothing to compare it to, (I haven't bothered to try the QC with my EVHiii 50w or the PRS MT15) but like the video says it does what I want it to. The warmth and punch is unbelievable. And used they are below 200. I paid $125.
Why do you keep associating fizz with digital? Is plexi or jcm800 digital? Because they are fizzy as f***.
Hi gain tones
7:20 no cut
7:43 6k hi cut
7:55 4k hi cut
8:24 3k hi cut
Ac30
8:55 5k hi cut
9:10 2.5k hi cut
9:22 2.5k hi cut, mic pos change
9:30 2.5k, mic pos, bass boost
10:07 final adjust
Presets
10:52
11:28
11:53
That‘s really helpful! Thanks a lot!
The likes of Metallica, Megadeth, Shinedown, and Def Leppard all use modelers live. How do they set up to sound so fantastic?
I hav had 2 different FRFR speakers and didn't like any of them.
Running my Helix LT through the headrush 108 Mark II I'm not getting any tinny hissy sounds even before tweaking the presets
When you compare a diagram of the frequency response of an amp speaker compared to an FR speaker it's a rounded curve compared to a more straight line that drops off on the very ends. For that reason the amp speaker is going to shape and color every single model tone you're putting through it and accenting the midranges more than the ends of the spectrum. That's why the FR speakers sound brighter because they're giving you the full spectrum. I can see why some players would be used to that rounded sound and prefer it but it's not as accurate. I guess it's whatever you want and prefer.
I cut the cab block highs at 4k point something, and then the cab lows at 110hz to 130hz… and then I make my global eq roughly look like a Celestion Vintage 30 frequency response chart. Sounds weird but it miraculously worked great for me.
For a few years I used the low pass filter on the cab blocks to get rid of the fizz on certain models – like you did here. But I always felt I was sacrificing a bit of articulation and "air". I found that, on the Helix at least, the fizz is always centered at 4100Hz. I began putting a parametric EQ set to that frequency at the end of each chain. Depending on the amp model I was using, I would need to adjust the Q and the amount of cut, but I like the results a little better than just a low-pass.
Gosh, why doesn’t my little plastic box with an 8” speaker sound like a Marshall 4×12 cabinet? I can’t imagine. It’s a sonic mystery.
What's FR FR ?
My rationale for sims is no tube amps to lug around, or fail along with the sound quality and diversity of sound. So far I’m happy-
The light bulb moment for me early on with the Helix was understanding that if you look up real speaker specs, they usually range between 70hz and 80hz on the low to around 5khz – so anything over on either end – especially on the high end – isn't what you would experience out of a real world speaker anyways, ergo the lack of "realism."
HELP…!
Can i use this speaker box with a spark amp 40…?
The spark cabinet is not good…
The irony of all this
I suspect part of what you are perceiving as a problem, is actually modelling that is mostly destined for recording or performance with a band. Therefore the models are shedding lower frequencies that a sound guy or recording engineer would be shelving anyway to make more room in the mix. At home, musicians are looking for the fullest tone possible and often set amps to push put a lot of low frequency mush that in a mix, just creates clutter and lack of clarity.
Thanks John,
I'm 2 gigs deep with a tonex direct to pa monitored with aer compact 60… Very toppy so far and have been rolling back the highs… Not enough it seems
This did not sound good to me, and is the reason I have not moved to modelers. If it doesnt sound great in the room I am not interested.
I resisted an FRFR and use a PA cab similar to our FOH top cabs. This means what I hear is pretty damn close to what the audience hears.
Secondly, I do not understand why anyone wants a modeller to sound like an amp. If that's what you want, use an amp.
I thought the point was that a modeller sounds like the guitar does on an album i.e. what the guitar amp sounds like when it's miced up and put through a mixing desk with all the reverb and delay etc. For me that has been the game changer. Rather than having a 100 watt Marshall running through a 4×12 which I cannot run flat out because no sound engineer will allow it, I have a Boss GT1000 that sounds like I have 100 watt Marshall running flat out but at a volume I can stand in front of.
EV PXM-12MPs are the first FRFR-type setup I've really liked. I like that they have some tonal control right on the monitors too.