The most overrated jazz album ever made
The most overrated jazz album ever made
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Overated record for me?
"Time Out" by Brubeck..
Don't get me wrong..i think Brubeck was an absolute gentleman.
I think that Paul was a great alto player..he also knew Bird personally!
AND Paul later had that crushing group with Ed Bickert on guitar..
All that said?
If i hear "Take Five" played on a proverbial college sophomore's turntable ever again, im gonna puke.
I could never. Never. Ever say that anything affiliated with Tom Jobim could be over rated..
EXCEPT "Ipanema" with Astrud Gilberto mouthing english..
LOL.
Interesting perspective, Kenny. Very enjoyable. For me, Bitches Brew is highly overrated. Haven't listened to it in years.
It may be that I'm shallow for this, but I think a great musician needs genuine attainable music to appeal to me. I'm not purposefully trying to be critical; the thing is I don't have a wealth of money or time for product I cannot attain. For example, I would never argue that Ornette Coleman wasn't great. I accept that he is a master, but I have not in my lifetime been able to attain/acquire the understanding to appreciate Avant Garde or free jazz.
I'm thinking of one of my most favorite alto sax players in the world – I love this man, but I have a couple of albums where the songs – the music wasn't very good. Those albums don't get much attention. I keep them anyway. I can count on one finger the number of albums I've thrown out. Good or bad, I try to keep the stuff I've bought. It's not unusual for me to get a whiff of something I bought in the past, then suddenly, it takes on new life, and I can't put it down for a while. Peace to everyone.
I’ll second Bitches Brew as most overrated. As for Getz/Gilberto, took it for a spin two nights ago. Very enjoyable!
Interesting views. 100% in agreement. I would also consider KoB because if there wouldn’t have been for that time extraordinary marketing effort by the label and for MD in general, the album wouldn’t have made it that far. There are by far better albums out there than KoB but simply lesser known.
have you ever listened to the fismans
I actually don't like that album at all. I'm just not a fan of Jazz vocals.
There was just something about Astrud that folks, including me, really liked. She wasn’t supposed to steal the show but she did. Put that album on anytime and it just has a way of casting a spell on you????
Joe Namath is revered not only because the Jets beat the Colts, but also because he guaranteed a victory when the Jets were big underdogs. It was the prediction and the win, as much as the win itself. But I agree, if that victory had never happened, Namath would not have the cachet that he still enjoys.
Kenny! Have you ever heard Vince and Bola? Fantastic combo of spanish guitar and piano
Whether they are over-rated or not, every one of the albums you showed belongs in every collectors library. I actually purchased the Craft Getz / Gilberto one-step – the first time I ever spent that kind of money on a record, so I am overly partial to that album.
Love your channel, Kenny! I worked for many years in retail, records and books. I hate the rating game so much. Customers would sometimes take offense when I refused to name my favorite book of all time. I would offer to talk about 5 or 10 books that I really like but that somehow wouldn’t satisfy some of them. There is so much to enjoy! Also, there is time. Think about how a piece of music or a book hit you at a particular moment and then later or before, not so much. This list mentality is about selling product.
Time Out would be my pick.
Jazz Samba is great! Fairly inexpensive on vinyl too. One of my favourite latin jazz albums, along with the Joe Henderson Jobim tribute, and Jerry Gonzales and Fort Apache's "Earth Dance".
Keith Jarrett – The Köln Concert, Joe Pass – Virtuoso. Extremely overrated but objectively good records I have to say.
What makes you think Getz/Gilberto is a “jazz album”?
Is it because there is ONE jazz musician in it?
I have a 45rpm version and a DSD128 version of the Getz/Gilberto, and the recording quality is simply amazing! One of the best recorded jazz albums out there. I like the music, and the vocals are great, but I won’t consider it overrated, maybe too many reissues were published, but this shows that there was a demand for it among the general public. I still love your channel despite disagreeing with you on this one! ????Peace ✌️
What’s “overrated “ in music ? You either feel it or you don’t.
Somehow I knew you weren't going to go after A Love Supreme. I don't think that album is really capable of being overrated. One of those records that earns its instant recognizability. It's what I consider to be "Crucial" Jazz; desert island stuff.
I get what you mean, Kenny. But I have to disagree with you on this. Getz /Gilberto is sublime. Just hearing Astrud Gilberto's sweet voice I feel absolutely blown away (and there are also many other things to enjoy). Besides, Getz/Gilberto was a key album in terms of bossa nova as a new subgenre in jazz music at that time. So I think it's worthy of all the hype. That being said, I greatly respect your opinion. God bless you brother.
Well, I gotta agree with his choice. And I respect the musicianship on 'Jazz At The Pawnshop' but it's not. record I can listen to much.
"Kind Of Blue" is spoken of so highly because it has all the proper ingredients that Jazz music should have: Blues based, improvisations, one of the best and possibly the first major Modal album and it is democratic. Meaning everybody solos. The album is like a conversation with six people talking about something they all consider near and dear. The head is when all six discuss the topic. The solos are each persons opinion on that subject.
Jazz at the Pawnshop is not overrated; the listener just doesn't like swing/dixieland style. If they did, it would be one of the few albums with an extended workout of cuts like "Limehouse Blues" and "Struttin with some barbecue."
What's the most overrated jazz album without vocals? I'd say Charlie Parker with Strings but Bird's stock has went down over the last decade.
Overrated by whom?
Oh… and one more thing. I remember Kareem was a huge jazz fan. He lost his album collection in a house fire many years ago. I remember hearing about that as a kid. Is that why you think he is the greatest?
Jordan would dunk on 3 defenders simultaneously!
Come on Kenny, ALCINDOR was great… but JORDAN was ICONIC. Jordan’s drive ,passion, heart, skill set, and desire was unsurpassed by any NBA player. He was the GREATEST NBA PLAYER hands down. He would have won 8 NBA championships (straight) had he not retired and opted to play for the Chicago White Sox. Pull up his highlight reels on you tube… you’ll see what I’m talking about.
Agree on Pawnshop album. It sounds great. But it's not for me. I can see it as a great recording, excellent playing, but seems overrated. Nothing virtuosic about it. Love the Evans Vanguard albums. Actually listened to both today with my wife! Overrated? Hmm… naw. Really good and great performances. Kind of Blue? A Love Supreme? Nah, no way. Not overrated. They're both infinitely listenable. Not one note I'd change. And, wow, I agree on the Getz/Gilberto album. Great album. And was a real standout and contemporary example of the Brazil-Jazz genre at the time. People forget how crazy the fad was. Well, not 'fad,' but a genuine cultural craze. My wife owns it. I never pick it up.
I find Kind of Blue overrated. I prefer his Sketches of Spain.
When I saw the title of the video, the first album that popped into my head was Jazz at the Pawnshop. Although, I wouldn't disagree with your choice either.
Love the album but yes The Girl From Ipanema certainly elevates it's fame beyond what it otherwise would have attained.The two Bill Evans albums you showed get my vote.I love his playing and individually dig the tunes but as a whole its just too introspective for me.Much prefer something like Everybody Digs Bill Evans where it has his romantic introspective tunes but has a couple of more up tempo,meaty numbers to shake it up a little.
Miles Davis is WAY overrated IMO, I don’t think it’s transcendent, fantastic or great either. I can’t stand listening to it, and I’ve tried.
Thought maybe you would dis kind of blue when I saw it in the shot. Most overrated jazz "icon" if you ask me. And I mean miles in general, not just that album.
Screw the Rating Game. All these people made splendid music. Just listen or don't listen. I believe I'll listen.
Sir I usually don’t comment on YouTube, but after coming across your channel and your way of presenting and of making us engaged in your storyline I must say to keep up the amazing work and thank you for your wonderful and insightful content! I understand your point on this album and I partially agree to it, despite a feeling that its greatness relies exactly on its apparent flatness -although isn’t that the peculiar expression of bossa nova?-. I also believe that moving onto more articulated and niche jazz albums during the years makes (at least that’s my case) this album get flatter and flatter. You made me listen to it after so long and I remembered why it’s so much loved. Greetings from a 28 year old CD collector who grew up listening to the jazz classics.
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Bill Evans is overrated? Fail. Kind of Blue overrated? Fail.
What makes this album amazing is that it brought American jazz to Brazilian bossa nova ????
Hahaha. I appreciate that you can critique an album or albums the correct way that you have recommended in the past for audiophile listens. Yes, hype can, in fact, and most of the time overshadow the actual performance of albums even going beyond jazz. I think people may be a little confused about your audiophile recommendations of such albums verses what you think is actually great? In other words, what you are saying is yes, (Jazz at the Pawnshop) is good for an audiophile for a simple listen to get or put you in a mood just as a simple listen specifically. While John Coltrane album (A Love Supreme) or Miles Davis album (Bitches Brew) is meant to totally impact your listening habits as art performances deserving of the hype and attention they get. The Ahmad Jamal album you held up is a good example of one of those good audiophile listens, while not necessarily great in terms of pushing the limits of how far jazz can go. I totally agree and understand what you are saying.????
Comparing to movies, books works better for me. I award one most over rated movie each year.
IMHO parallels with sports, athletes and music don’t really make sense.
It's the Mona Lisa effect.
Art historians always go on about how original the Mona Lisa was in it's time, but we are all so familiar with it now, that any originality it once had is lost on us now, not only because of how familiar we are with it, but also because of all of everything that came after, which it influenced, and that they maybe did better, or at least developed.
So it is in this case, or Catcher in the Rye. We lack the ability to see it's originality now because of everything that happened since.
It’s way to take the music out of the context of the time it was made. Nobody in the US had heard anything like music before. Getz Gilberto and Bossa Nova at the time were revolutionary as was Kind of Blue. I was not a big Stan Getz fan at the time ( I am now) as I was much more into the more incendiary music of the day. Kind of Blue was the first time Miles ever sounded like that. He redefined the sound of the trumpet. It’s easy to listen to The Shape of Jazz to Come now, but at the time I didn’t know what those sounds were and I didn’t know if I loved it or hated it. I’m totally with you about Kareem.
Don’t think the term overrated is helpful when discussing Jazz because every listener has their own criteria for what makes something good or bad. Perhaps a better term is something like overexposed, overhyped etc.